Blue Cut Fault Pushawalla Loop

One of 51 earthquake fault lines in Southern California, the Blue Cut fault extends for about 50 miles through the Little San Bernardino Mountains, under Pleasant Valley, and into the Pinto Basin. Most of the 50 mile length exists within the boundaries of Joshua Tree National Park (JTNP), one of my favorite desert hiking environments.

Note: This is not a guide to Hiking the Blue Cut Fault, it’s more an October day photo journey through the region.

In the mid 1800s, there was a wagon mule trail that traversed through the area, providing passageway for miners transporting gold and mining equipment to and from railroads (in the Coachella Valley region) to the Lost Horse Mountains, the Hexie Mountains, and other nearby mining sites.

Pushawalla Blue Cut Fault LoopPushawalla Canyon Blue Cut Fault Loop

I’ve hiked Pushawalla Canyon (see photos) numerous times over the years, but this was my first time along the Blue Cut fault line and wash loop. The location is extremely remote (4×4 high clearance vehicle strongly recommended for access to dirt pullout area) and fairly good navigational skills are required if you’re planning on hiking the region. Other than a sign marked “Wilderness Boundary” near the pushawalla trailhead, there are no signs or markers (other than a few rock cairns) in the region.

ovis canadensis desert bighorn sheep scat(Ovis canadensis) Desert Bighorn Sheep scat

Inside the pushawalla region, it’s a Day Use Only area, created to allow wildlife (such as the endangered Desert Bighorn Sheep) to reach scarce water resources without interruption by humans. I arrived at the trail head just before sunrise, and while inside my Jeep packing peanut butter & jelly sandwiches (and some turkey jerky) into my pack, a group of coyotes approached, and made their presence known (Sorry, no photos. Was still dark and I prefer not to disturb their activities).

water pinyon wellWater at Pinyon Well site

When available, wildlife utilizes the water sources at the Pinyon Well site, a historic mining and milling area first developed in the 1800s. On this visit there was lots of evidence of animal activity in the area, and I could again hear coyotes barking nearby as I explored this former mining site. Nature has long reclaimed nearly all evidence of human use of the area, but there are several interesting milling and mining remnants (several not on maps) to be discovered on the surrounding hillsides.

bighorn sheep carcassBighorn Sheep Remains near Pinyon Well

The remains of a big horn sheep are a reminder that coyotes are not the only predators in the area. While I’ve yet to encounter a mountain lion in Joshua Tree National Park, I’ve come across the remains of at least a half dozen desert big horn sheep while on hikes in the Pushawalla area. I’ve kicked up more bones in this region than any other in JTNP. While different from the nearby Eagle mountains, it’s still an unforgiving environment.

green hummingbird joshua treeGreen Hummingbird in Desert

Near one of the open wells, this green hummingbird paused long enough so that I could take its photograph. Other than birds, coyotes and jackrabbits, I saw very little wildlife during the day I did this hike. Even though the early October weather was perfect for animal activity, it wasn’t my lucky wildlife day. During this trek, I took mostly photographs of things that don’t move too quickly (like rocks).

pushawalla asphalt roadAncient Asphalt Road along Pushawalla Trail

It would be easy to miss it, but the above photograph identifies the remains of an asphalt section of road that was built along the pushawalla trail. Once upon a time there was Jeep access to this area (it’s long been closed to vehicle and bicycle traffic) and before that, mule pulled wagons worked their way to the top of the Pushawalla Plateau and into the canyon that leads to what is now Indio Hills.

pushawalla plateauPushawalla Plateau Vehicle Gate

Near the top of Pushawalla Plateau are a series of iron pipes cemented into the ground and roped off in cable (here is another view), which was likely installed several years ago to prevent vehicle travel through the canyon. There are some amazing views to be seen from this point, and there’s several well hidden and quite historical mine sites close by. To my knowledge, a few abandoned mine shafts remain open and pose potential life-threatening risks, stay out and stay alive.

pushawalla canyon minesPushawalla Canyon Mine seen on Hillside

When you’re eyes are trained for spotting mine tailings (oftentimes areas of grayish color pulverized rock), you begin to see evidence of them on several mountainsides in this region. Veins of white quartz can be spotted along some of these hillsides as well, but they’re not as easy to see from a distance as mine tailing piles. I think old-time miners left behind sardine tins and other trash, just so we could more easily locate their historic sites of gold and silver glory.

white quartz vein joshua treeWhite Quartz Vein Joshua Tree National Park

I’d be lying if I didn’t say I haven’t many times thought about stumbling across a chunk of gold while hiking Southern California deserts, inspired by a story about a miner that one supposedly found a gold nugget the size of his fist, on nearby lost horse mountain. It was on the surface among the rocks. Thanks to the terrain, you can’t just leisurely walk around this area looking for gold nuggets without the risk of being stabbed numerous times in the process (by a cholla).

Silver Cholla (Opuntia echinocarpa)Silver Cholla Cactus (Opuntia echinocarpa)

There are few Joshua trees across the blue cut landscape, but the silver cholla cactus (Opuntia echinocarpa) is abundant, and the spines can be sharp as daggers. Sometimes worse than the live ones (like shown above), are the millions of needle sharp spines from dead cactus, lying on the ground and waiting to puncture the flesh at your ankles. Even the most innocent appearing desert plants can be sharp enough to cut into our clothing and/or skin.

joshua tree nutsSimilar in Appearance to an Acorn

Plant eating wildlife in the region appears to find plenty to provide themselves with nourishment. Although rainfall is infrequent in the region, both plants and animals have learned to adapt to the harsh environment. Temperature before sunrise on the day of my trip dropped to 36°F and it was over 86°F when I was leaving the area later in the day. A 40° swing in temperature is not uncommon for these parts.

blue cut weathered rockBlue Cut Fault Weathered Rusty Circles Rock

Rock formations in Joshua Tree are fascinating and some of the rocks along the blue cut fault are estimated to be over 1 1/2 billion years old. Rocks like the one shown above crumbled just by my stepping onto them. Ascending one of the hillsides to get photos of other mountain ranges, I thought the ground would avalanche underneath my feet, if there were strong seismic activity.

Mountain Ranges Joshua TreeSan Jacinto and Little San Bernardino Mountain Ranges

The San Jacinto mountain range can be seen in the left side of the above photo. There are some spectacular hikes to be had on that mountain as well. Much closer (and still mostly within the borders of JTNP) are hills of the Little San Bernardino range. I intended to stop for a break at the nearby rock pile, but moments after laying down my pack, red fire ants had ascended on my gear. while shaking off all my gear, I again heard nearby coyotes curiously making their way towards my location. Time to move.

Blue Cut Wash Joshua TreeBlue Cut Wash Joshua Tree

Once back into the wash, navigation becomes less difficult, but it’s nearly an all uphill 3 miles to the blue cut wash plateau. After already hiking 9 miles, I’m reminded how much I dislike hiking uphill in the sand. Why was it that I decided to hike 16+ miles along an earthquake fault line? The old man didn’t have any answers.

Old Man Prickly Pear CactusOld Man Prickly Pear Cactus

From my experience, there’s far less old man prickly pear cactus (Opuntia erinacea var. erinacea) growing in the region compared to the silver cholla, which was quite abundant throughout my hike. Due to the time of year, there was near zero desert wildflower blooms, but there was still plenty of rock, and lots of brush to make my way through.

Blue Cut Fault RocksBlue Cut Fault Rocks on Mountainside

The blue cut fault is named for the blue granodiorite that is exposed on the mountainside to the southwest and marks the main branch of the fault. On one side the land was uplifted to form steep and straight mountain edges of the Hexie Mountains, and on the other side the land drops to create Pleasant Valley.

Blue Cut Fault WashBlue Cut Fault Wash

The Hexie Mountains are scarred with scattered abandoned mine sites, and there’s some exploring of historical sites that can be done near the Pleasant Valley backcountry board, a good place to park. In the above photo, Joshua trees can be seen growing in the distance, we are entering back into the Mojave Desert region.

Blue Cut Pass PlateauBlue Cut Pass Plateau

Vegetation gets much thicker and greener as I cross the blue cut pass plateau and into Pleasant Valley. Those mountains (coxcomb mountains) far in the distance are still within the boundaries of JTNP. At nearly 800,000 acres, it’s not uncommon to go hours (and sometimes days) without seeing another human being, especially in the more remote regions.

Malapai Hill Joshua TreeMalapai Hill Joshua Tree

Along Geology Tour Road is Malapai Hill. It’s not that difficult to hike to and the area is quite significant archaeologically. The double humped hill was the result of volcanic activity in the area, with piles of monzogranite and basalt talus occurring on the mountain’s steep slopes. The hill is also my marker that I’m only a couple miles away from my Jeep Rubicon, and lunchtime is near.

Happy Birthday Mylar BalloonHappy Birthday Mylar Balloon

Is it your birthday? It is a good day when I can hike nearly 18 miles in desert wilderness and only come across a single piece of trash (now properly disposed of), aside from the rusted tin cans and other historical artifacts left behind from area mining days. This is never a place I’d recommend someone hike for pleasure, it’s moderately strenuous and the hazards are numerous, but the solitude makes it worth the journey for me.

Blue Cut Pushawalla TopoBlue Cut Pushawalla Topo Map

Pinyon Well, prospects, ruins, and an old guzzler site can be seen on the topo map above. Us USGS Malapai Hill, Calif. map for the region and don’t feed the coyotes.

Black Eagle Mine Road

Black Eagle Mine Road heads east off of Pinto Basin Road in Joshua Tree National Park (JTNP). The left fork in the road is Old Dale Road and it leads to the Dale Mining District, located outside the boundary of JTNP. Black Eagle Road dead ends at a barricade of boulders near the Iron Chief Mine, which is on BLM land. The quest for Gold brought people here in the early 1880s.

Jeep Rubicon Black Eagle Mine Road2010 Jeep Rubicon on Black Eagle Mine Road

For this day trip I drove my recently purchased 2010 Rubicon Unlimited Jeep (didn’t have the custom mattress yet). I’ve seen mention on forum websites of people making attempts to travel roads in this area in 2 wheel drive vehicles (like a common rental car) and I strongly recommend against that. Posted signs clearlystate that 4×4 high clearance vehicles are essential if making a journey along this road. There’s been times I’ve been in the area over 48 hours and not seen a single individual or vehicle on the road. It’s extremely remote and the desert is unforgiving. Do not travel unprepared.

107 Fahrenheit Black Eagle Mine Road107°F on Black Eagle Mine Road

On the day I took this photo trip (August 19) the temperature started out at 107°F and I noticed the thermometer hitting 113° about 7 miles into my trip. Way too hot to hike any significant distance in the daytime, and not the best time of day to be taking photos, but it was the last day on my trip before heading back to coastal Los Angeles (Venice Beach).

Black Eagle Mine TopoBlack Eagle Mine Road Topo Map

I marked a few areas of interest on the above topo map. The shaded green area identifies Joshua Tree National Park and the gray shaded area is BLM land (where most of the mining sites are located). The Storm Jade Mine is on Joshua Tree property and is only accessible by foot. Helpful topo maps for the area are the Buzzard Springs and Conejo Well maps. The USGS Buzzard Springs topo identifies locations for the Mission Sweet Mine, Rainbows End Mine, and Iron Chief Mine.

Level yet Unmaintained RoadLevel yet Unmaintained Dirt Road

The first 7 miles or so is a graded sandy road, which may give the appearance that this route is doable in a 2 wheel drive automobile. Before leaving the park boundary, the road terrain changes significantly, and the chances of getting stranded increases dramatically.

Most of the road is fairly easy to travel by 4×4 vehicle. On several occasions though I’ve seen evidence of punctured oil pans where people didn’t expect to bottom out on rocks. Cell reception is spotty but I have climbed a few peaks in the area and gotten reception on both my AT&T iPhone and Verizon Droid. No guarantee you’ll have any cell service in the area so don’t count on it.

High Clearance 4x4 EssentialNo Longer Sandy Road

Near the Mission Sweet Mine the road gets very rocky, and expect to find boulder barricades if continuing onto the Iron Chief Mine. Plenty of locations to park and travel by foot (but not when it’s 113° out). There are signs identifying Joshua Tree National Park boundaries and once you’ve passed those you will be on BLM land managed by the Palm Springs office. Stay out of abandoned mines and stay alive.

Rusted Shut up OvenRusted Shot Up Oven and Stove

Also near the Mission Sweet Mine (and Cactus Mine) are the remains of a miners camp. There are several concrete slabs in the area along with plenty of historical (and not so historical) left behind trash. Among shotgun shell casings and recent trash are scattered remains from the days of mining in the area. There are parts of old stoves, water heaters, automobiles, and even dishware. I’m not certain on the rules for car camping in this area but there are several pre-existing fire pits.

Fire Pit and Amazing ViewsFire Ring and Impressive Views

The view from the mining camp site is quite impressive. Placer Canyon is seen in the distance along with the mountains of the Old Dale Mining District beyond. Check with the field office before making camp fires. Black Eagle Well is located in the Pinto Basin, north of the Cactus Mine and Mystery Mine, and you’ll pass back onto JTNP property if hiking that route.

turquoise copper rusted rockColors of Turquoise, Copper and Rust

There’s some beautiful colors found in the rocks nearby a few of the mining sites. Most of the mines were mined for gold, but silver, copper, and other minerals were mined as well. The former Eagle Mountain iron mine is over the hill beyond the Iron Chief Mine. As far as I know the area is closed to access and is on privately owned property.

The Storm Jade Mine is inside the Joshua Tree National Park boundaries, which is federally protected land meaning no rock collecting of any kind. The Rainbows End, Mission Sweet Mine, and Iron Chief Mine are on BLM land. There are several easy to navigate 4×4 trails in the area near these mines. Watch out for signs that identify washes that are closed to vehicle traffic versus trails open for 4×4 access.

Transformers Like RocksTransformers Rocks

These rocks look like they could turn into Transformers at any time. They are inside the park boundary (33.864725, -115.630045) and located nearby the Jade mine. There’s also lots of barrel cactus and plenty of Sidewinder and Green Mojave Rattlesnakes found in these areas so be snake aware and don’t put your hands or feet where they don’t belong.

The Big Wash Hiking Corridor also crosses Black Eagle Mine Road. There is a rare chance you’ll see hikers, but keep an eye on the road and your surroundings, as road hazards can pop up quickly.


JTNP Eagle Mountains Flickr Photos

Palm Springs South Coast Field Office BLM

Joshua Tree Backcountry Roads

Old Dale and Black Eagle Mine Road map (PDF file)

Trailheads, Closed Roads, and Muddy Jeeps

If you’re hiking and/or camping in the San Bernardino National Forest it’s not unlikely you’ll come across 4×4 trails and other dirt roads that have been gated off, like the one shown here at Green Canyon Road.

Green Canyon Road SBNFGreen Canyon Road at Wildhorse Meadows (34.205833, -116.765167)

If you like off-road dirt trail driving (DMV licensed vehicles), camping and hiking, this is a great location to spend some time. As I posted recently, using the proper map, is important in identifying locations and names of dirt roads in the area. While Green Canyon Road is gated at both entry points, there is a trailhead here that can be followed to Sugarloaf Mountain (that’s one option).

Muddy Jeep UnlimitedMy Muddy Rubicon

Yellow post-campsite 54 is not far (2N93D) from where these photos were taken. I didn’t find any part of national forest road 2N93 required four-wheel drive but there were patchy sections of mud so it’s a good thing to have a fairly good clearance vehicle with the option of 4×4 if traveling through the area. There are some forest roads in the area recommended for 4×4 high clearance vehicles only, so do your homework before entering the forest.

Rubicon Jeep Black and TanMud Covered Rubicon Jeep

The mud that got on my Jeep this past trip was incredibly sticky and it took several washings to get the majority of it off. If you want less mud and you still want to hike to Sugarloaf Mountain (or along the Green Canyon Trail) there is a much easier entry point off of California State Highway 38 (aka Rim of the World Scenic Byway). The turn off at Hatchery Road is not the easiest to find but it’s a short 1.3 miles to a small parking area for the trailhead. Be sure to have an Adventure Pass on your parked vehicle.

Green Canyon Sugarloaf TrailheadGreen Canyon Sugarloaf Mountain Trailhead (34.218447, -116.805867)

Another gated area that is closed to vehicular traffic but the parking area is nearby. Check the coordinates above to view them on your map of choice. This trail is along Green Canyon Road and can be taken all the way to the summit of Sugarloaf Mountain. The topo guide for this area is Moonridge an elevation begins at around 7500 feet. Even in July you can expect some mud on the trail so prepare your hiking gear accordingly.

Shiny Black RubiconMuch Cleaner Version of my Rubicon Jeep

I love hitting the mountains and the desert for hiking, camping, and 4×4 off-road adventures, but I hate washing and detailing my vehicle. I also hate the immense amount of gas is traveling from Venice Beach to any of my preferred locations, which are typically 150+ miles away from home. Fortunately, there is always someone happy to detail my Jeep (for a hefty price) and there’s plenty of refueling gas stations along the way.

Orocopia Mountains Wilderness Wildflowers

The Orocopia Mountains Wilderness is in full bloom. The weather this past Saturday provided the perfect excuse to trek the near 200 miles from Los Angeles to the Orocopia Mountains for a day of hiking, 4×4 sightseeing, and wildflower photography (I took a lot of other photographs too). At about 4 AM we pulled the top off my Rubicon Jeep and headed topless towards the desert.

Jeep Rubicon Unlimited ToplessIf you are going topless in the desert, be sure to have plenty of sunblock, lots of fluids, and a light-colored cap. This first photo is of my Jeep parked along our first stop on Red Canyon Trail, which is accessible near Chiriaco Summit in Chuckwalla California, that was our starting point on this near 70 mile off-road daytrip.

orocopia mountains 60 mile loopThis photo shows the recently updated map of the Orocopia Mountains Wilderness, which I estimate the Palm Springs Bureau of Land Management (BLM Palm Springs) replaced sometime since my last trip here in January. The blue arrows are mine and they show the 60ish mile Route I followed from Red Canyon Trail, to the Bradshaw Trail, along the Coachella Canal, through the Meccacopia Trail (seasonally closed from June 1 to September 30), and back out to the 10 freeway along Powerline Road.

budding beavertail cactusThis budding beaver tail cactus was my first desert flower photograph of the day. It was still early in the morning, so they hadn’t opened yet, but there were beaver tail cactus to be seen along much of the day’s trails. This one was spotted along Red Canyon Trail.

flowering ocotilloFlowering ocotillo along Red Canyon Trail. These are far more abundant in the Colorado desert portion of Joshua Tree National Park, and even more so in the Chuckwalla Mountains, at least from my experience coming across them on hikes. The ocotillo cactus is one of my favorite plants in the desert, and I have photographed quite a few over the years. For this post, rather than share a close-up of the orange flowering buds, I decided to show the sky and Chocolate Mountains in the distance.

Large White Thornapple Desert FlowersThese blooming white desert thorn apple flowers were spotted along the Bradshaw Trail in the middle of Salt Creek near the old railroad trestle bridge. They were very popular amongst a group of rather large ants, and they smelled great, although I think they are in the weed family. I’ve seen the same plant growing in parts of Joshua Tree as well. From what I know, I believe this plant can be quite fatal to humans and animals as well, as it’s rather poisonous.

Flowers Gucci SpringsWe took a break from the jeep to hike a few miles inside the Gucci Springs area. Wow, this place smelled tremendous. As the breeze blew, there were strong scents of wild sage, and nearly everything we spotted appeared to be flowering. The photos don’t capture the sounds and smells and feeling of calm one can experience when walking through this desert wilderness.

more white desert flowersThis batch of white desert flowers was extremely popular with the morning bees. They didn’t seem at all concerned that I was nearby taking photos, as they were quite busy in their activities of gathering pollen. Not a bad background for this photo eh? It is a beautiful place.

flowers mecca hillsYellow and orange desert flowers by the thousands were soaking up the sun when I came across this area near the Coachella Canal. If you’re planning on doing the off-road 4×4 loop that I’ve shown on the map above, be particularly careful navigating through the Coachella Canal area from the Bradshaw Trail, towards the Salton Sea. Not only is there the live military bombing range to the southeast, there are numerous unmarked maintenance roads between Drop 24 and Drop 31 along the canal. If you’re not familiar with the area, navigation can become considerably difficult, always best to travel in a group.

Purple Flowering Desert BushThe Orocopia Mountain Wilderness is quite a large area and there’s no way I’d get a photograph of everything flowering on only one daytrip. We took time for another hike, and when coming back to the Jeep near where I parked along the Bradshaw Trail, I came across these rich purple flowers budding from the bushes around me. They appeared similar to creosote bushes but the flowers were purple instead of yellow. I’ve got to do some reading up on my desert flora.

orange desert flowersI believe this orange cup shaped flower is a apricot mallow or globe mallow, like I said I’ve got to do some research on my desert plant life, and make some updates here. I do know I spotted this one in a sandy wash along our hike back to the Bradshaw Trail. The day brought us desert flowers blooming in shades of orange, purple, pink, yellow, and red, I’m glad we took the time to break away from the beach for the day.


mecca hills ridgeline

And if all you thought we could see was flowers, don’t forget this is the desert, as shown in the above shot of Mecca Hills. This photo was taken along the Meccacopia trail and it shows amazing contrast of how plainly brown everything can appear from the distance when in the desert. You really have to get out on foot and experience it for yourself if you want to see wildlife and wildflowers. Lastly, here’s a beaver tail cactus flower soaking up the afternoon sunlight.

flowering beavertail cactusThis flowering beaver tail was one of my final photos of the day, taken near the crossing of Little Box Canyon Trail and the Meccacopia Trail. From here we headed out  towards Powerline Road and an on-ramp along the 10 freeway at Frontage Road. Thanks for visiting!

Hiking Grouse Grind Vancouver British Columbia

I love hiking and I’ve taken tons of photographs over the past few years from hikes have done throughout North America. I’m just beginning to create some hiking related posts, mostly because friends and patients have been asking about where I go to do my hikes, and what the trails are like. One of my first photo posts is of the Grouse Grind in Vancouver British Columbia.

The Grouse Grind is a 1.8 mile hike with a vertical rise of 2800 feet, that’s 2.9 km and a vertical rise of 933 m. It supposedly takes the average healthy individual up to one half hours to complete the hike, but you can be severely slowed down when the hike is crowded, typically during mid-day hours. There’s some beautiful stuff to see up top and you’ll get a nice comfortable ride back down the mountain on the sky ride.

Grouse Mountain Sky Ride

The Grouse Mountain Skyride (sky tram) will take you back down the mountain after completing the Grouse Grind. The grind is close to downhill travel, so unless you’re planning to hike back along the Baden Powell Trail, the sky ride is your best option for getting back to the main parking lot.

Grouse Grind Notice to HikersIf you are planning to hike Grouse Grind, be sure to stop and read the Notice to Hikers, and all other notices and warnings signs in the area. I saw several paramedics and emergency vehicles at the trailhead when I was hiking. Apparently, a person or persons had suffered some pretty serious injuries.

The sign reads… Notice to Hikers

Exclusion of Liability – Assumption of Risk – These Conditions Will Affect Your Legal Rights – Please Read Carefully!

The hiking trails on Grouse Mountain are located in steep and challenging wilderness terrain. Hikers using these trails assume all risk of personal injury, death or property loss resulting from any cause whatsoever, but not limited to: slippery, unstable and dangerous trail conditions; avalanches; rockfall; cliffs, gullies, ravines and waterfalls; rapidly changing weather conditions; over exertion, dehydration and exposure; encounters with domestic or wild animals; becoming lost or separated from the trail or one’s hiking companions; hiking after nightfall; negligence of other hikers; and negligence, breach of contract or breach of statuary duty of care on the part of the Greater Vancouver Regional District, Greater Vancouver Water District, and Grouse Mountain Resorts Ltd.

As a condition of the use of these premises, all persons agree that the Greater Vancouver Regional District, Greater Vancouver Water District and Grouse Mountain Resorts Ltd. shall not be liable for any such personal injury, death or property loss and release the Greater Vancouver Regional District, Greater Vancouver Water District and Grouse Mountain Resorts Ltd. and their employees and agents and waive all claims with respect thereto.

Please observe all signage and comply with all trail closures. Hikers must stay on the trails to reduce the risk of injury, rockfall, trail erosion and becoming lost or disoriented. Information as to trail conditions is available from Grouse Mountain Guest Services.

The liability of the Greater Vancouver Regional District, Greater Vancouver Water District and Grouse Mountain Resorts Ltd. is excluded by these conditions.

Canadian Grizzly Bear British Columbia

And don’t get eaten by a Canadian Grizzly Bear after you’ve reached the top of the Grouse Grind. Haha, I don’t know that there are any wild grizzlies in the area (there’s definitely plenty of black bear) but there is a bear habitat on Grouse Mountain. After you’ve completed your near 2 mile uphill hike, pay a visit to the bears and watch them frolic in the pool. They’re cute from behind the fence. Check out my Grouse Grind Hiking Post on